问HN:你个人为隐私支付了什么?

1作者: jdbohrman大约 1 个月前原帖
最近我一直在认真思考这个问题,这让我感到很困扰。一方面,我看到像r/privacy这样的互联网社区,他们对广告和数据收集嗤之以鼻,同时也拒绝付费的端到端加密(E2EE)应用。另一方面,我又看到人们不断要求像Discord这样的E2EE版本,显然在可扩展性尚未达到的情况下,这种需求是不切实际的。我无法理解,对于那些既渴望隐私又知道开发人们想要使用的软件需要资金的用户来说,如何找到一个平衡点。感觉r/privacy上的很多人都想要两全其美,我很好奇这个社区对隐私作为商业模式的看法。我拒绝相信那种“Signal有什么问题”这样的说法应该成为讨论的终点,因为还有很多应用可以从E2EE和去中心化中受益,而不仅仅是用于一对一和小组的通用消息应用。
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I've been thinking about this heavily lately and it's been killing me because on one hand I see a side of the internet like r/privacy, which both snubs their nose at any advertising and data collecting while also shunning paid E2EE applications. Then on another side, I see people constantly ask for things like E2EE versions of Discord, which obvious won't be feasible until something like MLS is scalable, but I just can't wrap my head around where the middle ground is for users who both desire privacy, and know that that it costs money to develop software that people want to use. It feels like a lot of people on r/privacy want to have their cake and eat it too, and I'm curious what this community things about privacy as a business model. I refuse to believe statements on that sub like "What's wrong with Signal" should be the end of the discussion because there's a whole realm of applications the could benefit from E2EE and decentralization that aren't just generic messengers for 1:1 and small groups.