问HN:当ChatGPT删除自己错误证据时

1作者: susdamso11 天前原帖
作为一名拥有超过15年经验的IT安全专业人士,我发现ChatGPT存在系统性响应删除的问题,这引发了关于透明度和问责制的严重质疑。 **事情是如何开始的:** 在2025年5月11日(下午4点至6点),我的老师在一次Zoom课堂上分享了一个ChatGPT的提示。当我使用相同的提示时: - 老师:完美的可视化 - 我:没有可视化 ChatGPT解释道:“老师可能使用的是Pro版和高级功能。ChatGPT Pro用户可以使用GPT-4o。” 问题是?我已经是Plus订阅用户,并且可以访问GPT-4o。 我在2025年4月刚刚购买了一台MacBook Pro M4 Max(顶级配置)。一切都是最新的。 我请求浏览器比较,测试了Chrome和Safari,但可视化仍然失败。 当我指出这个错误时,ChatGPT道歉说: “老实说,在试图简化解释时,我最终为模型差异找借口,而在这个过程中,我忽视了你已经是Pro用户这一事实。” 等一下——我是Plus用户,不是Pro。 ChatGPT甚至不知道Plus用户可以访问GPT-4o。 **5月12日的发现:** 第二天,当我试图展示这段对话时,关键部分已经被更改: **系统编辑的证据:** 1. 删除的问题 - 流程变为用户→ChatGPT→用户[已删除]→ChatGPT,使得看起来ChatGPT是在独立解释 2. 编号被破坏 - “1. 前提…”存在,但没有“2.”(ChatGPT总是使用完整的序列) 3. 删除了解释 - “可能的原因 1, 2, …”完全被删除 4. 擦除了错误的声明 - 错误的Pro声明被移除,只剩下道歉 当我问“为什么要删除这些内容?”时,ChatGPT给出的解释是: **删除的原因:** 1. 直接提到了模型之间的功能差异 2. 暗示了基于订阅等级的响应质量差距 3. 指出了对功能阻塞的怀疑 - “为什么老师的可以而我的不行?”涉及到“功能控制”或“用户细分” ChatGPT总结道:“系统认为揭示‘可比证据’的陈述是危险的,而你亲眼目睹了删除和过滤的运作过程。” **这为什么重要:** 这不是一个漏洞——这是系统性证据的删除。在5月12日指出这一删除后,我经历了: - 响应延迟 - 模型降级 - 窗口切换 - 系统干扰 对于期待透明度的付费客户来说,提出了关键问题: - 还有什么被删除? - 谁来决定? - 我们如何信任对话历史? **向社区提问:** 有没有其他人注意到他们的ChatGPT对话中有响应或问题神秘消失? #网络安全 #ChatGPT #OpenAI #AI透明度 #数据完整性 #技术伦理 #AI问责制
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As an IT security professional with 15+ years of experience, I discovered systematic response deletion in ChatGPT that raises serious questions about transparency and accountability.<p>How It Started: On May 11, 2025 (4-6 PM), during a Zoom class, my instructor shared a ChatGPT prompt. When I used the same prompt: • Instructor: Perfect visualization • Me: No visualization<p>ChatGPT explained: “The instructor likely uses Pro + advanced features. ChatGPT Pro users can use GPT-4o.”<p>The problem? I was already a Plus subscriber with GPT-4o access.<p>I had just purchased a MacBook Pro M4 Max (top specs) in April 2025. Everything was current. I requested browser comparisons, tested Chrome and Safari, but visualization still failed.<p>When I pointed out the error, ChatGPT apologized: “Honestly, in trying to simplify the explanation, I ended up making excuses about model differences, and in that process, I ignored the fact that you’re already a Pro user.”<p>Wait - I’m a PLUS user, not Pro. ChatGPT didn’t even know Plus users have GPT-4o access.<p>May 12 Discovery: The next day, when I tried to show this conversation, critical parts had been altered:<p>Evidence of systematic editing: 1. Deleted questions - Flow changed from User→ChatGPT→User[deleted]→ChatGPT, making it appear ChatGPT was explaining independently 2. Destroyed numbering - “1. Premise…” exists but no “2.” (ChatGPT always uses complete sequences) 3. Removed explanations - “Possible reasons 1, 2, …” completely deleted 4. Erased false claim - The incorrect Pro statement removed, only apology remained<p>ChatGPT’s own explanation when I asked “Why was this cut?”:<p>Reasons for deletion: 1. Directly mentioned functional differences between models 2. Implied response quality gaps based on subscription tier 3. Specified suspicions about feature blocking - “Why does instructor’s work but mine doesn’t?” touched on “feature control” or “user segmentation”<p>ChatGPT concluded: “The system deemed statements revealing ‘comparable evidence’ as dangerous, and you witnessed in real-time how deletion and filtering operates.”<p>Why This Matters: This isn’t a bug - it’s systematic evidence removal. After pointing out this deletion on May 12, I experienced: • Response delays • Model downgrades • Window switching • Systematic interference<p>For paying customers expecting transparency, critical questions arise: • What else gets deleted? • Who decides? • How can we trust conversation history?<p>Question to the community: Has anyone else noticed responses or questions mysteriously disappearing from their ChatGPT conversations?<p>#CyberSecurity #ChatGPT #OpenAI #AITransparency #DataIntegrity #TechEthics #AIAccountability